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Bookseller calls for Hay e-reader ban
01.06.12 | Bookseller Staff
A second-hand bookseller in Hay-on-Wye has called for a ban on Kindles and other e-book readers at the literary festival, which opened yesterday [31st May].
According to the Daily Mail, bookseller Derek Addyman, who owns three second-hand bookshops in the town, Addyman Books, Addyman Annexe and Murder and Mayhem, has called the devices the "enemy".
Addyman said: "Kindles have no place at this festival which is supposed to be a celebration of the written word—and books. Booksellers definitely want them banned. You see people walking around with Kindles and they are like robots in another world. Books are sociable and people stop and talk to each other about them. Kindles are just a phase and they won't last. They are our enemy."
He added: "Without the support of people going into these shops, we won't have any independent sellers left in a few years."
His crime fiction shop, Murder and Mayhem, is hosting a window display featuring a gravestone next to a picture of an e-reader.
Peter Florence, director of the Hay Festival, said: "There will be a footfall of 250,000 readers in Hay over the next 10 days and these people buy books in all formats. Anything that encourages people to read in any format is fantastic."
The festival runs until 10th June in the Welsh border town.


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I love this, coming as it does from a secondhand bookseller whose sales contribute precisely zero royalties to authors.
Secondhand bookshops are bloody wonderful, I spend hours in them, but not entirely sure they are in any position to take the moral high ground here.
I fear you are wrong. Readers often purchase a book from a new (to them) author in a secondhand shop because it is a cheap go or they just came across it, and later buy more recent works new if they enjoy the author. Some even buy the *same* book new because they want a better edition, or because they want to give it as a gift. Happens all the time.
'Kindles are just a phase and they won't last.' Like it or not, electronic books are here to stay. And in the same way that digital downloads of music have now surpassed sales of CDs and vinyl records combined for the first time in the UK, so books are heading down the same path. To believe anything else is mere wishful thinking.
Luddites away ! And, of course, them new fangled computers won't last either......
Kindles are just a named technology, and will indeed pass away. They are not ebooks, just a device/format to read them with. You've confused the two things. Any single use digital tool had a built in fatal flaw. Look at phones - they do a lot more than just make a call these days. Kindles as a device will have to change significantly, or die.
I also hope kindle as a format dies, as it is proprietary. There needs to be a good ebook format that is open for any one to use that works on all devices.
I do agree with your point, Fleetstreet, but the same could be said for ebooks as well.
I know lots of people who buy an ebook and then, if they enjoyed it, a print edition to put on their shelves (the digital device thereby contributing two royalty hits for the author).
I am aware of even more people who have taken a punt on an author via a low-price ebook, enjoyed it and then invested in more of that author's work in digital or print form.
Secondhand bookshops are a splendid way to discover new and old authors at less than the normal price (I assume here that the moaning bookseller in question isn't someone who prices recent paperbacks at £5) and I have no issue with that. I do have an issue with them taking the moral high ground when it comes to digital devices.
I agree with you that ebooks can lead to buying printed books. I hope what came across in my earlier postings is that I do not think a ban is in anyway useful or wanted.
However, I do understand the sentiment of this bookseller. Day after day, year after year, many booksellers and a good many publishers are bombarded with the messages that the printed book is dead, that one *must* make the jump to digital or their business will fail, and that remaining books *must* be discounted ala Amazon. They are also battered by policies of various larger organizations that want to use their shops as showrooms, and then take away the purchase that results from their hard work and effort.
For my part, I have lived through no less than 3 iterations of the book is dead in the last 20 years, all wrong. I constantly see mistaken or misrepresented data regarding sales and use of printed books by those advocating electronic books, and far too many readers that seem to lack any understanding of the book business, print or otherwise, but feel free to tell booksellers and publishers what they should do. Certainly consumers should let their preferences be known, but far too many seem outraged that every book is not digital, or that every digital book is not 99 cents.
The lack of balance, the continual doom and gloom (which I think is overblown, as was the death of vinyl records), and the steady battering of larger organizations can certainly put one on a hair trigger.
As a publisher I do wish people would stop talking about ebooks as the enemy. We really need sales of as many books as possible to keep going and ebooks are one way we can expand our market. They don't cut into the sales of print books. They help us to increase our number of sales. People who buy ereaders seem to get addicted to reading again and read far more, increasing the number of ebooks and printed books they buy, in general.
Sales of ebooks will help publishers like us finance print runs. They will help us finance the publication of books that always sell in low quantities - particularly poetry which only breaks even at best. Ebooks are a great help to the printed book.
People who stop others buying ebooks are making life harder for publishers when we're struggling to keep publishing outlets open for hard-to-sell forms like poetry and literary fiction. We always produce print runs at the same time as we make ebooks available. We don't notice any adverse effect on the number of printed books sold - far from it.
All books are books, whether on paper or on a screen. It saddens me to see book lovers making it harder to sell books in this form.
It should also be remembered that ebooks are often the only way of helping our authors sell internationally. Bookshops overseas won't order books unless they are also published in their countries. For smaller publishers this may not be possible, but with ebooks we can introduce authors to an international readership. Persuading booklovers not to buy ebooks is very damaging to smaller publishers and authors who are just starting to make a name for themselves.
They may help publishers but they don't help bricks and mortar bookshops. This is quite clearly the reason for the Hay bookseller's objection. The publishers will survive on merit but the bookshop's longevity is dependent on the market for actual books, especially second hand bookshops. Nobody is arguing that the book trade has no option but to accommodate ebooks but from the point of view of the bookseller the objection is quite clear and I don't think a small publisher cannot really comment impartially.
We also depend on bookshops as most sales are for print books. But the thing about ereaders is that they reawaken an addiction to reading. People who buy ereaders start to read far more. They buy both ebooks and print books. They increase sales in both formats. We don't buy ereaders and stop buying print books - far from it.
I've noticed the effect on public transport in London. Years ago the carriages were full of people reading books. Sales of books dropped long before there were ereaders. People were using other gadgets on the tube, and the main culprit was the mobile phone. Everybody would be looking at phones, reading messages, playing games. Ebooks didn't destroy book sales.
Then ereaders came along. I see loads of people reading books again on the tube. And the encouraging thing is that this new addiction to reading was followed up by more people reading print books too. Whereas a few years ago print books seemed to have vanished from the tube carriages, now I see a number of people reading print books each time I travel.
Ereaders won people back to reading, and print books benefit from it. When we sell ebooks they don't cut into our print book sales, they add to them. It's not either/or for readers. Ereaders are increasing overall book sales, they don't cut into print book sales, and I feel they will help publishers survive and help pay for print runs. Book sales were falling before there were ereaders due to other interests like mobile phones and the internet. That's why ereaders help win readers back and create that bridge to print books, which addicted readers also buy.
And bookshops can sell ebooks too, as Daunt is showing with his 'click and collect' to get people into stores. It could also be a 'click and buy' ebooks and you could have sales terminals in stores. It should all help increase sales if viewed positively.
Incidentally, we sell far more print books than ebooks by a very large margin. The ebook market is still a small, new and growing one. It's important, though, because every book sale helps publishers and bookshops in the difficult economic climate we have now. I find it incredibly damaging to spread the idea that people shouldn't buy ebooks - it's like going around telling people not to buy books. We will be putting our ebooks with the retail services (such as OverDrive) that aren't exclusive so that shops and libraries can sell and loan them. It should be possible for ebook sales to help everybody, including bookshops. Ebooks also lead to me buying secondhand books so I'd guess that's the same for others. I have a special interest in late 19th Century writing and can get some from Project Gutenberg for my ereader, but looking on Project Gutenberg helps me identify which ones I can't get. So I buy them from secondhand bookshops and secondhand bookselling services.
I love this, coming as it does from a secondhand bookseller whose sales contribute precisely zero royalties to authors.
Secondhand bookshops are bloody wonderful, I spend hours in them, but not entirely sure they are in any position to take the moral high ground here.
I fear you are wrong. Readers often purchase a book from a new (to them) author in a secondhand shop because it is a cheap go or they just came across it, and later buy more recent works new if they enjoy the author. Some even buy the *same* book new because they want a better edition, or because they want to give it as a gift. Happens all the time.
I do agree with your point, Fleetstreet, but the same could be said for ebooks as well.
I know lots of people who buy an ebook and then, if they enjoyed it, a print edition to put on their shelves (the digital device thereby contributing two royalty hits for the author).
I am aware of even more people who have taken a punt on an author via a low-price ebook, enjoyed it and then invested in more of that author's work in digital or print form.
Secondhand bookshops are a splendid way to discover new and old authors at less than the normal price (I assume here that the moaning bookseller in question isn't someone who prices recent paperbacks at £5) and I have no issue with that. I do have an issue with them taking the moral high ground when it comes to digital devices.
I agree with you that ebooks can lead to buying printed books. I hope what came across in my earlier postings is that I do not think a ban is in anyway useful or wanted.
However, I do understand the sentiment of this bookseller. Day after day, year after year, many booksellers and a good many publishers are bombarded with the messages that the printed book is dead, that one *must* make the jump to digital or their business will fail, and that remaining books *must* be discounted ala Amazon. They are also battered by policies of various larger organizations that want to use their shops as showrooms, and then take away the purchase that results from their hard work and effort.
For my part, I have lived through no less than 3 iterations of the book is dead in the last 20 years, all wrong. I constantly see mistaken or misrepresented data regarding sales and use of printed books by those advocating electronic books, and far too many readers that seem to lack any understanding of the book business, print or otherwise, but feel free to tell booksellers and publishers what they should do. Certainly consumers should let their preferences be known, but far too many seem outraged that every book is not digital, or that every digital book is not 99 cents.
The lack of balance, the continual doom and gloom (which I think is overblown, as was the death of vinyl records), and the steady battering of larger organizations can certainly put one on a hair trigger.
'Kindles are just a phase and they won't last.' Like it or not, electronic books are here to stay. And in the same way that digital downloads of music have now surpassed sales of CDs and vinyl records combined for the first time in the UK, so books are heading down the same path. To believe anything else is mere wishful thinking.
Kindles are just a named technology, and will indeed pass away. They are not ebooks, just a device/format to read them with. You've confused the two things. Any single use digital tool had a built in fatal flaw. Look at phones - they do a lot more than just make a call these days. Kindles as a device will have to change significantly, or die.
I also hope kindle as a format dies, as it is proprietary. There needs to be a good ebook format that is open for any one to use that works on all devices.
Luddites away ! And, of course, them new fangled computers won't last either......
As a publisher I do wish people would stop talking about ebooks as the enemy. We really need sales of as many books as possible to keep going and ebooks are one way we can expand our market. They don't cut into the sales of print books. They help us to increase our number of sales. People who buy ereaders seem to get addicted to reading again and read far more, increasing the number of ebooks and printed books they buy, in general.
Sales of ebooks will help publishers like us finance print runs. They will help us finance the publication of books that always sell in low quantities - particularly poetry which only breaks even at best. Ebooks are a great help to the printed book.
People who stop others buying ebooks are making life harder for publishers when we're struggling to keep publishing outlets open for hard-to-sell forms like poetry and literary fiction. We always produce print runs at the same time as we make ebooks available. We don't notice any adverse effect on the number of printed books sold - far from it.
All books are books, whether on paper or on a screen. It saddens me to see book lovers making it harder to sell books in this form.
It should also be remembered that ebooks are often the only way of helping our authors sell internationally. Bookshops overseas won't order books unless they are also published in their countries. For smaller publishers this may not be possible, but with ebooks we can introduce authors to an international readership. Persuading booklovers not to buy ebooks is very damaging to smaller publishers and authors who are just starting to make a name for themselves.
They may help publishers but they don't help bricks and mortar bookshops. This is quite clearly the reason for the Hay bookseller's objection. The publishers will survive on merit but the bookshop's longevity is dependent on the market for actual books, especially second hand bookshops. Nobody is arguing that the book trade has no option but to accommodate ebooks but from the point of view of the bookseller the objection is quite clear and I don't think a small publisher cannot really comment impartially.
We also depend on bookshops as most sales are for print books. But the thing about ereaders is that they reawaken an addiction to reading. People who buy ereaders start to read far more. They buy both ebooks and print books. They increase sales in both formats. We don't buy ereaders and stop buying print books - far from it.
I've noticed the effect on public transport in London. Years ago the carriages were full of people reading books. Sales of books dropped long before there were ereaders. People were using other gadgets on the tube, and the main culprit was the mobile phone. Everybody would be looking at phones, reading messages, playing games. Ebooks didn't destroy book sales.
Then ereaders came along. I see loads of people reading books again on the tube. And the encouraging thing is that this new addiction to reading was followed up by more people reading print books too. Whereas a few years ago print books seemed to have vanished from the tube carriages, now I see a number of people reading print books each time I travel.
Ereaders won people back to reading, and print books benefit from it. When we sell ebooks they don't cut into our print book sales, they add to them. It's not either/or for readers. Ereaders are increasing overall book sales, they don't cut into print book sales, and I feel they will help publishers survive and help pay for print runs. Book sales were falling before there were ereaders due to other interests like mobile phones and the internet. That's why ereaders help win readers back and create that bridge to print books, which addicted readers also buy.
And bookshops can sell ebooks too, as Daunt is showing with his 'click and collect' to get people into stores. It could also be a 'click and buy' ebooks and you could have sales terminals in stores. It should all help increase sales if viewed positively.
Incidentally, we sell far more print books than ebooks by a very large margin. The ebook market is still a small, new and growing one. It's important, though, because every book sale helps publishers and bookshops in the difficult economic climate we have now. I find it incredibly damaging to spread the idea that people shouldn't buy ebooks - it's like going around telling people not to buy books. We will be putting our ebooks with the retail services (such as OverDrive) that aren't exclusive so that shops and libraries can sell and loan them. It should be possible for ebook sales to help everybody, including bookshops. Ebooks also lead to me buying secondhand books so I'd guess that's the same for others. I have a special interest in late 19th Century writing and can get some from Project Gutenberg for my ereader, but looking on Project Gutenberg helps me identify which ones I can't get. So I buy them from secondhand bookshops and secondhand bookselling services.